I think Joe made some good points. But so did Joe. My default position was to agree with Joe. But I may have been swayed by some of the points that Joe made. Ultimately, I think Joe wins that debate.
Rating Ten Hags man management skills isn't difficult. Antony and Martinez said they'd follow him to United before United signed for them. Onana followed him. Amrabat came to United. If he wasn't so good with man management none of those players would've made the move to United for him.
Utd fans are stuck in a vicious cycle: Want a manager to build for the future, 2 years in want a proven manager who can deliver trophies NOW, 18 months later, want a manager who will build for the future - complete desperados
Guys, this is what I am talking about. Here in this channel we had a Premier league pisstake video called "Better than Arteta. Now we talk about how he is a tactical manager. I am not saying he is not. But there was a point 2-3 yrs ago he looked like he had no clue what he was doing. He had no managerial experience prior to Arsenal. In our situation ten Haag has a better CV. It is not entirely wrong to assume that he is working towards something. It looks like the players believe in him. We as a fan base do not have the patience with out manager and applaud Arsenal for sticking with Arteta during difficult times.
If you actually look at Tuchel’s ‘failing outs’, the Dortmund one really stemmed from disagreements with the CEO over transfers and agreeing to play the champions league game the day after the bus was bombed. Since then, Dortmund have been managed by an assortment of ‘Yes’ men and they dumped the one who wasn’t (Marco Rose) after a year for happy smiley Terzic. You can’t blame him for what happened at Chelsea surely, he was tremendously successful and look at the mess they’ve been in since, and they’ve had a couple of placid Yes men in charge too. He’s the only manager to advance PSG in Europe (this season aside) and only Emery who is everyone’s darling right now has a better win percentage with them. We can frame him as abrasive, sure. But can we also frame him as someone with ambition and a clear vision who because of that rubbed people up the wrong way? Sure, let’s castigate him for wanting to be the best and being ambitious.
When he started at Mainz, he guided them to their best ever finish in the Bundesliga, higher than another darling in Jurgen Klopp. The Bayern one, we talk about Ten Hag having turmoil behind the scenes, but Bayern sacked their Sporting Director and CEO in the Summer, so either changes and upheaval behind the scenes at a club has an impact on the first team or it doesn’t. He’s also a game away from being in his 3rd CL final in 5 years with a 3rd different team and that’s not to be scoffed at either.
Where has Joe got that Bayern have had an ‘absolute disastrous season’ from? They’re on course for a points total that would have won the league in almost any other season except they come up against a generational invincible side. Tuchel would be embarrassed to have Ten Hag’s record in Europe.
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I think Joe made some good points. But so did Joe. My default position was to agree with Joe. But I may have been swayed by some of the points that Joe made. Ultimately, I think Joe wins that debate.
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Great to see Sloppy Joes invited as guests to the channel
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Rating Ten Hags man management skills isn't difficult. Antony and Martinez said they'd follow him to United before United signed for them. Onana followed him. Amrabat came to United. If he wasn't so good with man management none of those players would've made the move to United for him.
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Utd fans are stuck in a vicious cycle: Want a manager to build for the future, 2 years in want a proven manager who can deliver trophies NOW, 18 months later, want a manager who will build for the future - complete desperados
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This is such a good debate, best youtube channel debate I've seen in ages from a united channel. Good sense and no stupid takes for clicks
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Guys, this is what I am talking about. Here in this channel we had a Premier league pisstake video called "Better than Arteta. Now we talk about how he is a tactical manager. I am not saying he is not. But there was a point 2-3 yrs ago he looked like he had no clue what he was doing. He had no managerial experience prior to Arsenal. In our situation ten Haag has a better CV. It is not entirely wrong to assume that he is working towards something. It looks like the players believe in him. We as a fan base do not have the patience with out manager and applaud Arsenal for sticking with Arteta during difficult times.
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If you actually look at Tuchel’s ‘failing outs’, the Dortmund one really stemmed from disagreements with the CEO over transfers and agreeing to play the champions league game the day after the bus was bombed. Since then, Dortmund have been managed by an assortment of ‘Yes’ men and they dumped the one who wasn’t (Marco Rose) after a year for happy smiley Terzic. You can’t blame him for what happened at Chelsea surely, he was tremendously successful and look at the mess they’ve been in since, and they’ve had a couple of placid Yes men in charge too. He’s the only manager to advance PSG in Europe (this season aside) and only Emery who is everyone’s darling right now has a better win percentage with them. We can frame him as abrasive, sure. But can we also frame him as someone with ambition and a clear vision who because of that rubbed people up the wrong way? Sure, let’s castigate him for wanting to be the best and being ambitious.
When he started at Mainz, he guided them to their best ever finish in the Bundesliga, higher than another darling in Jurgen Klopp. The Bayern one, we talk about Ten Hag having turmoil behind the scenes, but Bayern sacked their Sporting Director and CEO in the Summer, so either changes and upheaval behind the scenes at a club has an impact on the first team or it doesn’t. He’s also a game away from being in his 3rd CL final in 5 years with a 3rd different team and that’s not to be scoffed at either.
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Where has Joe got that Bayern have had an ‘absolute disastrous season’ from? They’re on course for a points total that would have won the league in almost any other season except they come up against a generational invincible side. Tuchel would be embarrassed to have Ten Hag’s record in Europe.
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Just wanted to drop by and let you know how much I appreciate your podcast. It's been a game-changer for me!